Comments on: [BREW] Pagans And Politics

By: Wes Hyman

Wes Hyman — Mon, 14 Sep 2009 18:25:14 +0000

I am a staunch libertarian and hold no ideas concerning a utopian society and I am against National healthcare in all it’s forms. I feel my spirituality is only too compatible with my brand of politics.

By: Winter MoonWolf

Winter MoonWolf — Sat, 05 Sep 2009 08:30:08 +0000

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I really enjoy your Voice, Millie…and as a matter of fact, I truly enjoy & appreciate all the Voices that speak on this website. They are conscientious, clever, passionate & compassionate…the cream of the crop.

By: Millie Fee

Millie Fee — Thu, 03 Sep 2009 19:48:28 +0000

Where indeed Myrna! Why not at the beginning. There it’s now official! The public has now started talking! We have a beginning so let’s get some input and see where we can honestly get this to go. We somehow locked our mentality into nothing getting done without a law being passed! Forget the paperwork, red-tape and all….this is boots-on the ground! We are not going to find the end to this journey until we start to take steps to move forward. But if we are all milling around waiting for someone to start the race…******Bang!**** I just did and so did you and Avren and anyone else who posted! And Sitara did when she opened this site! Game on! *+*+*+HUGS!*+*+*+

By: Millie Fee

Millie Fee — Thu, 03 Sep 2009 19:24:20 +0000

I’ve been down that road a couple of times. At one point I was almost threatened with losing my children because I fought tooth and nail not to be on Public Assistance. But let us truly look at why this is striking so much discord in you when it comes to other’s being there. We really don’t know their story and I know I can raise my hand hundreds and thousands of times when I saw a wrong and chose not to do something about it. There is no shame in receiving Welfare or Food Stamps. And there never should be. Is there abuses? Oh! Hell! Yeah!
So we have a broken system and there is one of the blatant abuses; so who stepped up to say anything? Who decided to stop and maybe offer some food or clothing for the kids? Offered a kind word or a helping hand? There’s more than one way to draw our community together rather than focusing on the negative. So what can we do? Really! What can we do? Ripples becomes waves that have a habit of picking up momentum you know!

By: Myrna

Myrna — Thu, 03 Sep 2009 19:23:19 +0000

We all have heard Edmond Burke’s, ” All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing”, but he has many other outstanding observations and quotes from when America was breaking away from the English. One of my favorites: “It is a general popular error to suppose the loudest complainers for the publick to be the most anxious for its welfare”. My point here is that if we do nothing, then others will be heard and their agenda will most likely not align with ours. I agree with you Millie, but where to start?

By: Avren

Avren — Thu, 03 Sep 2009 18:27:53 +0000

Isn’t sad that the system was put in place to help those that help them selves, but it is totally backward now! My good friends are married and supporting 3 boys. They don’t qualify for help because they’re married! If they just lived together they could say she is a single mom and get all the welfare they need. They are struggling, and no one will help them but me and her family! What a load!!! There are changes that need to be made.

By: Millie Fee

Millie Fee — Thu, 03 Sep 2009 16:17:04 +0000

You know? I think that the majority of this change is going to have to come down to grass-roots efforts. The way I look at it is I think it’s great that all the politicians are back in Washington D.C.! It clears the area and allows everyone on a community level to come in and get things done! At least we know where they are at! And that is not under my feet! Everyone! Look at the great diversity and there is one big common ground that we can start from; what we have now is not working and no one has any ideas! So how can you and I change this where it is most effective? On a local level? How can we get others to see a sermon, rather than just hear it? It all starts with you and me. Let’s talk!

By: Myrna

Myrna — Thu, 03 Sep 2009 15:16:08 +0000

I am also a child of the system. I starved while my parents struggled to pay the bills. My neighbor, with the 6 kids (all from different fathers) received more money on welfare than both my parents working. We could not obtain welfare / food stamps because we had a few acres of land. We were told to sell it. Then what? The land was our home and where we grew the only food we had!!! In later years, I had a homeless person tell me to stay off her corner… that she had made >$50K last year on that corner begging and nobody was taking it from her. So I do give to the less fortunate, but not by giving money. Currently, I do so by teaching and helping them to grow their own food in shared public gardens.

I am a Healthcare provider and have been for 20+ years. Being a healthcare provider you get to see the best and the worst of human nature. I also struggled to get seniors their medication from the government so their money could be spent on food. The Seniors, who worked ALL their lives, were also told to sell there homes… this is while others live in free housing, eat free food and trade state and federal grant monies for recreational drugs. Yes, it would be wonderful for all to receive healthcare. Am I crazy at the idea of a government institution running that healthcare? Not particularly. I am actively involved though to ensure my voice is heard. This is because I DO NOT want this new ‘Healthcare for Everyone’ to be like the Senior Prescription Drug program that is absolutely worthless.

I also paid for my own education. It took 10 years, but I paid for it. However, I sat next to students that were there on federal grants and scholarships secondary to their race / gender to meet the government quota. The day after the checks came in the school was a ghost town….. My point is that we’ve all a story that has made us into who we are today and will continue to change us going forward. If you are still reading this then we’ve something in common… we do care about some of the same things and that is were I want to focus. To share my knowledge in how I try to make things better for me, for others, for our future, for the earth, for our souls. I cannot separate my politics from my spirituality because I am my spirituality (or at least try to be – I am still human). Politicking is just another way to obtain a means to an end.

By: Millie Fee

Millie Fee — Thu, 03 Sep 2009 13:50:16 +0000

Whew! I thought that I was going to be eating Broom again! We got to figure out a way to keep everyone from becoming hyper-defensive here…Something like saying…Okay waving the white flag here and asking innocent question…whatever! But let’s not jump to conclusions. And let’s be able to trust each other and ourselves to ask questions without thinking or feeling the other is attacking; Okay? Cause just like the rest of you, we all have contributions, and we are all students here. I know I will be the first to tell you I’m a student of Life! Trust me when I say you’re counsel is welcome at my fire…I mean it. I want to hear what you have to say…Really! BTW Winter Moon Wolf I read your blog and know exactly where you are coming from!

By: Avren

Avren — Thu, 03 Sep 2009 02:55:53 +0000

Millie,
I appreciate the reply’s today. I was at work and just got home. Sorry if I fired off this morning. (In my defense I was uncaffinated) I did feel like I was being lumped together with a lot of hypocritical a-holes, bitch but never try to fix anything. Yes I know our system is flawed, I would love to figure out a way to change it. I haven’t got any answers, I wish I did. The saddest thing is that it seems that where someone can make money or steal it, morels be damned. You know how I mentioned being a child in the system? I have seen such sloth as to make you sick. People receiving 500 a month in food stamps yet they trade that amount for 100$ for drugs and their children end up hungry. We lived in subsidised apartments (Ghetto-lite as we live in a smaller town in Oregon) and so many of these people sat on their asses and tried to figure out ways NOT to work. These are the ones I get upset about. So few took the helping hand uncle sam gave and used it to get a leg up and move on. My mother did, and she still gives back to this day. She is the one who told me I should donate to Agape House. (our local shelter)No, they grabbed that hand and tried to steal his wallet. This is where I’m coming from. Thank you for writing back to me today, I really appreciate it.