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brew-purpleGive me your top five reasons for why pagan communities have so much in-fighting.  You don’t have to write a book here.  One word will do, a sentence if you want to make sure no one makes a noose of a semantic.

And because I won’t let you get away with just focusing on the negative, also give me five simple things you believe everyone could do to change that dynamic.  You’re even welcome to point out that I started this conversation by focusing on a negative.

I will, of course, point out right back that we’ve been tripping over the elephant swept under the carpet for long enough.  And then I’ll hug you.  Via pixel, anyway.


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  • Since your beliefs are so personal, it’s hard to accept others interpetations of what we truly believe. All of us need to understand that ultimately our very survival comes with acceptance and an open mind-after all very are all students here. And check your ego at the door!

     
    • Acceptance and open-mindedness can certainly help, but (to play Devil’s Advocate here), how do we maintain standards or create standards of training, leadership, and cultural ethical code without BOUNDARIES of some sort? After all, acceptance is a step, but to remain in a state of acceptance is to maintain a state of total passivity to all that comes your way. How do we engage our Wills to create the world in which we want to live as the next generation of pagans?

      Just something to stir your thoughts a bit more.

       
  • oops sorry! That’s we are all students here.

     
  • 1. Ego – we have a tendancy to interpret an opinion different from our own as an indictment, that we must be wrong. Our egos don’t like to be wrong.

    2. The way we talk to each other – We study many things, but rarely to we put the same amount of effort into learning how to give candid, constructive feedback, or in how to receive such feedback. We pride ourselves in speaking our minds, but we seem to disengage our minds before speaking.

    3. Unprepared leaders – While there are a number of excellent leaders in the Pagan community (locally and beyond), there are just as many, if not more, who are leading without the skills, experience, and wisdom to handle themselves and situations that arise appropriately. Keeping your head when you’ve been offended or helping a student/covener keep theirs takes skill and strength that, unfortunately, we don’t all have.

    4. Short fuses, sensitive triggers – We all bring our experiences with us into the community, background events that may make us more sensitive about things than our unsuspecting community may expect. When someone trips our trigger, we go off with a boom, sometimes shooting ourselves in the foot and almost always blowing a hole in the fabric of the community.

    5. Assumptions – We – and not just Pagans – tend to assign motives, meanings, and goals to statements that just aren’t present in the words. Instead of asking, “What do you mean?” or, “Can you elaborate?”, we jump to conclusions and fill in all the blanks, between the lines, and on the back of the page with our own story, right or wrong. Then we’re off and running, reacting to what we made up instead of what was really said or what happened.

    What can we do?

    1. Train better leaders. Pay as much attention to preparing a person to lead as to teaching them witchy skills and techniques.

    2. Learn to speak to each other more effectively, with respect and candor.

    3. Stop making up stories. Listen to the words someone says. If you can’t pinpoint their meaning without assuming anything, ask for clarification, have a conversation, LISTEN.

    4. Use assumptions wisely. The only really good use for an assumption in community relations (or relationships of any kind) is to assume the person has good intentions until absolutely proven otherwise. No jumping immediately to offense. Take the position, “If you want to offend me, you’re going to have to work very, very hard.”

    5. Tame our egos with self-knowledge and confidence. Become grounded enough, sure enough of our own right to believe as we will, our own ability to choose our paths,. that someone else’s choice will not feel like an indictment. We don’t feel as compelled to defend what we don’t believe needs defending.

    Ok…so I wrote a book anyway. Sorry…the subject is near and dear to my heart. Thanks for asking.

     
    • Heartsong, I really like the way you pointed out that, to make things work, both sides of any conflict have work to do — whether it’s learn to be a nice person/break through your illusions/use manners or listen carefully/get out of your egospace/step off the pedestal, everyone has to work on it. I find it an interesting point that pagans are among some of the smartest people I have ever met, by and large, and yet, we can’t manage simple good human relationships. For a path where we are all learning to reclaim and then use our powers for good, we sure do act like codependent little anarchists when it comes to playing in the community sandbox.

      The thing I’m curious about is ‘WHY?’ What is there in this situation that we still haven’t learned that we need to perpetuate the environment where the stimulus can continue to goad us?

       
  • Why we fight:

    1) We came here because we wanted to lead, not follow. Because of that, we’re always right and the other guy’s always wrong.

    2) Lack of trained leaders. I know no one’s perfect, but some of the things that the people we consider to be clergy have done is make me smack my forehead.

    3) Lack of structure.

    4) Generally, people find Wicca/paganism/witchcraft because they have been hurt by others, either in a relationship, in the church, or a family member, whatever. This means that as groups go, we aren’t the best example of stability. What do insecure, unstable people do when they’re upset and don’t know what to do about it because they’re afraid of/used to pain and rejection? Attack that which hurt them.

    5) The attitude of “I’m better than you” leads to a lot of fights.

    What we can do:
    1) Learn to let go of control a bit. We need to follow the good leaders available to us, and not attack them or make them want to kill us because we drive them up a wall.

    2) Encourage leaders to go to some kind of clergy classes, get training in counseling, learn how to be professionals. I’ve worked with a priestess who did not know how to ask for help, and it hurt her badly in the long run. There needs to be more of a network among clergy so that those with experience can help those who don’t have it at all.

    3) Yes, I know this is usually one of the reasons people are drawn to paganism, but it is one of the reasons groups fight. So, I think that somehow, some way, there should be some kind of loose structure, even if it’s just an established group of trained, professional mediators to help alleviate some problems that can’t be fixed by people emotionally invested in one side or the other.

    4) I personally think that all clergy should either have some counseling training (having gone through it is NOT good enough) or have a professional counselor on speed dial. As many of us have had bad things happen that are of a more serious nature, it is important to address those larger issues. I like to think of it as a challenge, and as a practice in transformation. This kind of delegation would also help free up clergy time for those with less serious problems, or for teaching, or whatnot, and would prevent any attachments of an unhealthy nature that can form when an untrained counselor tries to help someone who has been deeply hurt. The only other thing we can do is to try and approach people with as much love and understanding as we possibly can.

    5) Educate, educate, EDUCATE. I feel that the only way to fix ignorance and ego is through education about the ways of others. This education could also be in the form of people educating themselves about themselves, and why they feel the need to feel superior to others regarding this. It’s a potent question.

    I have a lot of other reasons why I think that we fight, and what we can do about it. Having seen these fights, there is one other important point that should be remembered for both sides: Know when to quit. Know when someone is lost, and you cannot bring them back by yourself. Know when fighting will hurt you worse than not. Be aware of why, and that may prevent a lot of problems.

    Blessed be,
    Katie

     
    • Katie, you brought up ego (“I’m better than you”), just as Heartsong and Millie Fee did. Ego is certainly one of the tap roots feeding the problem. I can see two other tap roots in your response: (1) Power and our relationship to it, and (2) Organization as means to betterment.

      To the first, I will say that until we heal our personal problems with being powerless, it will be hard to allow others to lead, to give up control and let someone who CAN lead do so. To the second, I have always found it amusing that pagans would be against formal organization when Nature, herself, is the most intricate, supremely Ordered thing in her natural state (when things are in balance). Some of the organization problem extends back to power, not wanting to “submit” to anything resembling an Authority. That creates a lovely catch-22: how can you ensure the quality of leaders, provide high-grade spiritual counseling and services, or educate anyone well without some kind of central guideline that sets the bar? I know of no other way to ensure everyone gets access to the best training possible (although the web may be making that easier through dissemination of information).

      Excellent points, all of them! I guarantee you speak for a number of folks out there in your response.

       
  • This is the crux of the matter. The simple reprogramming of our desires and beliefs from those that are built as dams impeding the flow of life energy, to those that flow with the life energy around us. Our very lives as a species on this planet has now been backed into a corner; we snipe at each other in suspicion when all along we are all on the same team and should be working together as a whole. Diffused energy is not as strong a concentrated. Now what? are we going to evolve or self-destruct? Age old question… what is stronger? Water or rock? Our desire to grow and improve or stagnate?

     
    • Absolutely! A shift has to be made, everyone is responsible for making it. I am reminded of a line from the recent remake of the movie The Day The Earth Stood Still. The line basically states: we change when pushed to the edge, and the twilight hour is often the moment of our greatest triumph. I believe we are nearly to that edge. In order for the situation to give, we must learn to.

       
  • And there-in is the mystery and answer. It is of aligning our selves with the flow of energy and walking in balance.

     
  • What’s that saying about the eye of a needle being big enough for two friends but the world not big enough for two enemies? If we approached the subject of a strangers religion as carefully as our dearest friends, we’d get along a whole lot better. Is that humility?

     

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