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medusa-snow1I’m not going to go into great detail on this here because I need to sleep soon.  But I’m going to get it off my chest before laying down for the night.  Maybe I’m the only one that sees this going on.  Maybe I’m just the only one it bothers.  Then again, maybe not.

I have noticed a trend in the pagan communities of which I have been a part.  When asked what path all these folks at Pagan Pride Day or other gathering events follow, rarely will you get the answer ‘Wiccan’.  Often, you will get the answer ‘I’m pagan, but I’m definitely not Wiccan!’ or some other phrase that implies that Wicca is the equivalent of spirituality shite.

Ok, I can appreciate that maybe someone doesn’t follow every little niggling bit of what Gerald Gardner cooked up.  But then, this is what I observe…

The Celtic Reconstructionist pagan casts a circle with an athame… even calls it an athame.  Calls the offering section Cakes and Ale.  Um, that’s pretty Wiccan.

“Pagan walking a Kemetic path” observes the Wheel of the Year but no Egyptian feast days.  Um, which religion did you say you follow again?

Another pagan that isn’t Wiccan calls herself the High Priestess of a coven, meets for the Sabbats with said coven, calls quarters and sets up circle in a pretty standard way that has come down to us from, yes, Wiccan covens practicing and yet…  She still isn’t Wiccan.

Ok, so I get it!  Everyone wants to be special and no one wants to be Wiccan.  I could, if I wanted to, call myself a “pagan who walks an Egyptian Mysteries path with a heavy concentration in tantra and ceremonial occultism”.  The fact of the matter is, the way I work in circle is pretty basically thanks to the strides made by WICCAN priests and priestesses before me.  The trainings I underwent came from WICCAN priests and priestesses who received them from still a WICCAN priest or priestess before them.  The holidays I observe are the Wheel of the Year which you will find in pretty much ANY book on WICCA.  Yes, there is more to me than just my Wiccan roots, however, I am not ashamed of my Wiccan roots.  I’m proud of them.

I’m proud of all the Wiccans that came before me and helped progress things to the point where I can say “Oh, I’m Wiccan” and there’s a good chance someone’s heard of it.  I’m proud of the fact that, regardless of what you think about Wicca, the circle format for doing ritual seems to work for pretty much darn near everyone.  Yes, I know a good bit of it is a gift from our Ceremonial Magick brethren, but still… have you ever been a member of a Lodge?  Most “pagans poo-poo’ing Wicca” not only have NOT been a Lodge member, but learned the Wiccan way of doing it and have been doing it that way ever since with no “Gee, I wish there was some other way to do ritual because this fucking sucks”.

So you want to be a PAGAN with a capital P-A-G-A-N or some other uber-specific and hyphenated label to avoid being labeled as *gasp!* one of those Wiccan people.  What-EVER!  Regardless of what you say, if I see you doing ritual and celebrating Wiccan holidays and acting like a Wiccan HPS/HP and espousing beliefs that are basically the core Wiccan framework, then you have a Wiccan root to which you owe a great deal of your personal practice.

I have never understood the need to throw out a path because someone who claimed to be of that path was a poor reflection of it.  I suppose that means that every spiritual path should be null and void because someone, at some time or another, has acted like a horse’s ass while calling themselves a devout believer.  No, Wicca has no standardized central authority to ensure all HPS and HP are equipped to do the job.  No, not all covens are created equal.  And yes, some people are real assholes.  But what does any of that say about the path itself?

I don’t understand why pagans who (a) basically operate Wiccan but (b) don’t want to be called Wiccan don’t step up and fight to improve the reputation of Wicca by living with integrity and with pride in the fact that they’re Wiccan.  Why don’t people fight for the good name of the Craft?  Why is it the tendency to peel off the Wiccan label like a sullied robe and apologize for the mud that someone ELSE was responsible for splashing on the path?

Maybe it’s laziness.  Maybe it’s ego.  Maybe people want to be special.  Maybe it’s just what’s cool to do.  Maybe people are just insecure that they can’t handle being even remotely compared to a nasty-bad Wiccan and so it’s just better not to be Wiccan at all so they’re safe from someone else thinking bad of them by default.  After all, it’s not that they have a problem with labels.  Oh no… they’ll give you plenty of labels to describe themselves in place of the word ‘Wiccan’, so it’s certainly not a label-issue.

All I know is that I’m torn between laughing and raging.  Raging for the ground lost with every person that badmouths the very path that has shaped so much of them.  And laughing… laughing because it’s not the LABELS that define you — it’s what you DO that defines you.  And I know what I see a lot of people DOING.

And it’s called Wicca.

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67 Comments

  • There are those pagans who criticize Wicca but do not practice it; see http://www.odinic-rite.org/nowicca.html for an example.

     
  • That is an interesting (and disturbing) link. However, my peeve isn’t with people who do not practice Wicca and criticize it from outside the faith. My peeve is with people who, from all practical observation, utilize and embrace and uphold Wiccan beliefs, functions, and ritual methods and then say that they aren’t Wiccan, as though to be Wiccan is “something beneath them”. It’s like buying memorabilia of a sports team and wearing it, displaying it and then denouncing how horrible a team they are and how you could never support them. It’s the hypocrisy that bothers me.

    As for the site, I’m aware of anti-Wicca podiums among Reconstructionists and self-styled Pagan Traditionalists of whatever culture. The article posted assumes a great deal, paints with a broad brush, and generally points out the worst. Of course, that is fairly normal when one seeks to condemn a thing. It would be like me saying that the Odinic rite upheld skinhead violent methodologies, practiced animal sacrifice, and advocated for the separation of races regardless of individual free will to choose their own path. Since I’ve never been an Odinic Rite member, it would be unfair and incorrect to make a statement of this nature. Moreover, even if I *was* an Odinic Rite member or Asatru or Heathen, it would also be inappropriate for me to paint all Kindred and Troth organizations and Blot functions as being identical, with identical leadership, and identical aims.

    For whatever reason, the Odinic Rite chooses to believe that my beliefs are evil. From what they have presented about themselves, I suppose I could go on record as saying that — according to the link you posted — the author at least has some spiritual work of his/her own to do before judging someone else’s path.

    In the end, when we judge and paint with a broad brush and condemn unilaterally, we participate in the same kind of sectarianism that divides churches and religious sects worldwide. Just because people think a thing about another person or group doesn’t mean they are correct.

    I do find it somewhat sad. I worked with Odin and a Scandinavian (completely non-Wiccan) teacher for a number of years in the mid-nineties. She immigrated from Sweden in the early 1900s to an area that was predominantly settled by Scandinavians. In the old shops, there were still rune carvings that could be seen on posts and lintels from people who still kept the original faith. In all that time, she never thought my Wiccan practices were evil, we never had any problems with me apprenticing in the traditional work or lore. I find it difficult to accept accusations that the entire Norse/Germanic pantheon is against Wiccans just because the Odinic Rite says it is so. Old Grim and I still communicate just fine. :-)

     
  • I have run into anti- Wiccan voices also. I do not refer to myself as Wiccan anymore, because I haven’t been initiated into a tradition, but my ritual structure and celebration of the sabbatts is Wiccan. I guess the only thing that makes me unWiccan is the fact I haven’t been initiated into it.
    I am on a forum that uses lots of hyphenated labels that you referred to. I just say I am pagan. I don’t think there is anything wrong with Wicca and to be honest I am still confused as to what exactly a ‘fluffybunny’ is supposed to be. I guess that is because I have had limited interaction with other pagans, reguardless of their personal label.

    I also wanted to say I have enjoyed looking at your site and reading your post on witchvox.

     
    • Thank you so much for giving me an idea for an article! I never thought about needing to explain the term “fluffybunny”, but you know what? I probably do.

      The trend to hyphenate ourselves into perfectly form fitting box is really not incredibly healthy. I mean, the only form fitting boxes I know of are sarcophagi, and we know what goes in THOSE! Dead people wrapped in toilet paper! I think pagan is a good basic term because it covers so very much. I understand about not feeling comfortable calling yourself Wiccan without having the initiation to make you so.

      Thanks for the compliments on the site and my essay on WV! I hope you’ll visit here regularly and make your voice heard!

       
  • My understanding is that many pagans (myself included) do not adhere to the
    Rede and as such, don’t identify as Wiccan.

    I definitely get your frustration, lots of groups are essentially Wiccan and
    basically appropriating the tradition by not acknowledging it. On the flip
    side, many of the ritual components Gardner incorporated into Wicca are much
    older than the religion itself. I think that if reconstructionists or other
    groups really do their homework, they probably aren’t practicing Wicca. That
    being said, very few groups today haven’t been influenced in someway by it,
    and I really dislike the recent negativity that people seem to be directing
    at Wicca.

    Ultimately, whether you’re Wiccan or not, Gardner and the Wiccan Religion
    were integral in creating the magickal communities we see active today;
    people should show respect regardless of their personal views.

    Thank your for your posting, I love that these types of discussions are
    happening!

     
    • I understand where you’re coming from, certainly. The Rede, aside from having a number of different forms, comes off generally in one of two ways: total fluff, or invitation to what you like as long as you can justify it. Neither of these is correct regarding the Rede. I invite you to check back with me later this month. I’ll be be bringing my workshop on the Rede here to my website and breaking it down in a way that could revolutionalize how people look at that controversial phrase.

      I think that before people start throwing stones, they need to make sure they know which river they’re getting the rocks out of. Wicca, in its Gardnerian form is what I call “the Franken-baby of neo-Paganism”. You have ritual format (including circle casting, watchtowers, elemental invocations, astrological timing, and tons else) gacked from Ceremonial Magick. A good bit of that is through the Crowley-Golden Dawn trace, which is why I love it when I hear Wiccans poo on Crowley and then proceed to basically erect an OTO working space casual-style. You have folk tradition from the British Isles married into this arrangement which provides the “faith base” upon which the magickal theory and practice lies. In other words, if the folk traditions (Wheel of the Year, myths, ritual drama) are the “altar” (the body of the Goddess and her cycles), then all of that Theurgy-Great Work stuff is certainly the body of the God. Together, they do create something magickal, special, and valid.

      I urge people who are interested in “the one, true, and only right way” to participate in cultural spirituality to question ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING that looks like Wicca or Ceremonial Magick if they want to stay true to their work. Asatruar do not cast circle. If you see it happening, it came from somewhere not Norse. Celtic reconstruction doesn’t have it either. You might say “Yes, they do! They walk around the site ‘x’ number of times before starting”. Ok, yes, but that doesn’t mean they’re “casting circle”. That is part of the cultural tradition, and it does a similar thing, but it’s not “casting circle”. It hallows the space in a different way by moving the individual and the space to a different level. And for gods’ sake, if you create a new ritual inspired by some ancient tradition, do NOT, NOT, NOT say that it’s some ancient ritual and people have been doing it that way forever. It’s perfectly valid as “Sitara Haye’s Ritual For Doing Dishes”, but I should never try to say that the ancient Celtic people hallowed their salt and added it to water in order to consecrate the dishes for the next feast or whatever. (I used to be very interested in Recon until I abandoned it for reasons I should probably post somewhere… again, another great post idea thanks to a reader’s comment!)

      A lot of work was done by the people who have come before us to get this path out there, let it diversify, help it grow. Not all strains of any form of plant or animal life will survive the natural selection process. The diversity is vital until we see what WILL survive. It’s also important to realize, in such natural selection situations, it was the ability of the individual species to adapt to natural change that ensured its survival or dictated its demise, not its susceptibility to others with its species. In other words, paganism needs the diversity for us to see what’s going to work moving forward, and just like plants, what isn’t going to work will fade away. However, the natural selection process in paganism DOES NOT INCLUDE the variants in the species ATTACKING EACH OTHER in order to accelerate that process. That’s one thing, we have GOT TO STOP.

      Thanks for your thoughtful comments!

       
    • The backlash regarding Wicca has been increasing over the last 10-15 years, for certain. The tone of voice and attitude presented regarding the word when I began studying formally is vastly different than the tone and attitude I see now. Some of it, I feel, may have to do with the rise of Reconstruction paganism. Reconstructionism is fine — I personally was a Reconstructionist for a period of time and left for reasons too long to go into here. However, when Reconstructionism becomes the equivalent of Fundamentalist Paganism (aka, I’m More Right Than You’ll Ever Be), that draws the line in the proverbial sand and begs for someone to start kicking sand in faces. I also think that some of it has to do with the ever-so-popular trend of attacking pagan authors and leaders and burning them on the stake of our own judgments about their work, their contributions, and their practice.

      Silver Ravenwolf… this woman’s name is the Bloody Gauntlet of pagan forums. Drop her name and it’s like napalm on an e-list. It’s almost a fad now to see who can put Silver Ravenwolf down the farthest, the fastest, with the most cutting witty jibe or the best researched dismissal of her work. I’ve actually met Silver Ravenwolf, back when she was receiving her 2nd and 3rd from Lord Ariel (Caledonii) and Lord Serphant (SerpentStone — I share this training/initiation ground with Silver). She’s a nice person. She writes in a way that’s easy to understand. Do I agree with everything she’s written? Of course not. I’m a Witch, not a Lemming. I’m practicing the Path According To NeferSitara (my Craft name), not the Path According To Silver Ravenwolf anyway. Blind adoption is not necessary in the Craft, folks. That’s a religious holdover.

      But to say that Silver Ravenwolf has single-handedly run the pagan publishing presses into the muck and misguided hundreds of thousands of people? Oh come on… how much power do you want to give her? What about her contributions? When her first three books were published, they were gold-mines for people who didn’t have teachers. They were basic, easy to read, and easy to obtain. Granted, there are other books out there that I feel are pushing the envelope a little better, and that is how it should be. If we aren’t improving the Craft decade by decade, then we all need to hang up our hats, break our wands, and go home. Some texts do stand the test of time, but since when was “standing the test of time” the requirement for putting something in a book. Some things in Silver’s books I still see in regular practice when I meet people. Whole-scale dismembering and humiliation of an author is rude, unkind, and immature, especially if that author isn’t doing anything illegal that should be stopped. If the author is misrepresenting something, eventually, that is going to catch up with them (one would hope a publisher wouldn’t let tripe go out the door, but hey… it happens, and often).

      I think it comes down to what you said: respect. We have to start giving it, expecting it as a baseline of our practice and how we work together. In short, we need to suck it up and act like mature adults. If we don’t, if we continue to act like squabbling kids in the sandbox, Momma’s gonna box our ears.

       
  • It’s my opinion that people get to caught up in labels for their own good. I call myself Wiccan because before I finish–I’m a spiritual being currently assigned to Earth in human form–people’s eyes glaze over. It doesn’t matter how you are label as long as you are kind, loving person who respects yourself and others. The rest is just a way to divide people and create bigotry.

     
    • Amen and PREACH IT, Sister! I agree totally with what you’re saying. Look at all those hyphens between our uber-labeled selves! You know what those hyphens are? FENCES. Labels will never encompass all a person is, anyway. I feel getting hung up on the perfect correct fit of labels is just the equal and opposite reaction of being “too labeled”. In either case, we don’t really know who someone is, and they are more concerned with the outer clothing than the inner person.

      Well said!

       
    • Isn’t it funny how people would rather have the quick, easy answer (Wiccan) but then when you give it, they immediately start ripping it apart because of their own limitations in applying the word to you? I, too, have watched eyes glaze over. It’s like the glaze on a donut — you can see through it but the minute it appears, you know it’s going to be a “sticky” situation. I wish more people would see it like you do — that labels can be fences and instead of words, we should focus on ACTIONS as the manifestation of our path.

       
  • Hey girl! I think the basic issue people have with keeping their distance from the lable Wiccan is the fact that most people( see wikipidia among others) describe it as a regligion started by Gardener in the fifties. Those descriptions tend to cheapen ones outlook on this religion. Forget that a lot of the ritual were borrowed from another era. I think deep down everyone wants to believe their religion is best/ first/ most real etc… Look how Mormons are critisized by almost everyone as a cult. It is not an old religion thus is is a silly cult. When you tell someone you are pagan you can point to the root of the word ( old therefore pre-Christianity therefore more real somehow ) and say with confidence that you are more enlightend while hiding whatever you may not know behind a mask of smugness because they probably don’t know anymore than you. With so many hyphans out there it’s like spirital camoflodge. Your invisible to all who might judge you or see through you.

     
    • I can see that being a part of the situation, absolutely. However, I have to ask this: is it the pedigree that makes a spiritual faith important or is it the practice and its applicability to one’s life? It might be easier to say that paganism has “been around longer”, but I’m fairly darn certain that paganism as I see it practiced 90% of the time in pagan communities looks a heck of a lot like what Gardner fastened together from bits and bobs about 60 years ago. It’s back down to the label issue. When people focus less on the labels and more on the people, I think we’ll see paganism take some huge steps forward. Right now, the whole debate is like a handful of wanna-be fashionistas arguing over who has Abercrombie and Fitch and who shops at Wal-mart. The ultimate question, of course, is whether or not YOUR BUTT IS COVERED and YOU’RE COMFORTABLE. Not who is strutting around in Prada pagan goods or Vera Wang Wicca.

       
  • Amen woman. I agree that the labels stink! It’s my path and I’m the one who gets to wear it. I usually reply when someone asks about my religion that it is my path and ever evolving.

     
  • I too know quite a lot of people who practice and believe all that’s Wicca, but who would never call themselves that, arguing that to be Wicca you need to be initiated.
    On the other hand, I am initiated, but my private practice has become a lot less “Wiccan” than that of the average non-wiccan witch. Confusing? Yes.
    Personally, I believe that Wicca and witch are the same, and that initiation doesn’t necessarily make you a better witch.
    However, here in Europe you really have to be careful to call yourself Wicca on a pubmoot. Because if you aren’t (in the initiated sense), you’re bound to be outed as a fraud by some traditionalist!
    That’s the real reason why many distinguish themselves from Wicca I believe.

     
    • Oh excellent! I’m so glad you commented! Things are different “across the pond”, and it’s so rare to hear from someone just how things are different. I remember my first encounter with different practices came from listening to Stewart and Janet Farrar and Gavin Bone discussing the Craft as practiced where they live. It was eye-opening. We sometimes forget that the Craft varies in flavor as much as cuisine depending on where you are and who’s cooking. Thanks so much for your perspective!

       
  • I am; a Wiccan, father, husband, brother, friend, and many others. I’m not always as articulate as I’d like. My most important title is father. I am many things but, when people ask my religion I say Wiccan. Then I usually get the dumbfounded look. Of course then I have to say I’m a practising Witch. Then comes the ‘ O My God ‘ look to which I’m forced to explain that It’s like native American nature based beliefs.Sometimes it’s just faster and easier to say pagan but , if further explanation is requested I identify myself as Wiccan. I am proud of my religion. It has helped give me a better life. Some people are just not going to be happy without stirring shit. So be it. Too much wasted energy for me as I sit here holding my sleeping infant while typing with one hand. Gotta go now. Have a Blessed Day.

     
  • This is the 3rd article of yours I’ve read, and I must say – I’m impressed and have learned a thing or two. I read a piece of yours in the Witch’s Voice, and gotta say: Keep up the good work! I like what I’m reading. More than that, I feel empowered. Thank you!

     
    • Yay!! **does the happy dance** Empowered is exactly what I’m aiming for!! This path is challenging, but it *IS* worth it. And it’s not meant to be a drudgery — it’s a celebration and an opportunity! I’m glad to know you’re enjoying the articles and side-posts here and over at Witchvox. I hope you’ll keep stopping by!

       
  • I noticed your mention of the word pedigree in one of your responses above and this is what came to mind. I had a friend once argue with me that her dog was better than mine because she paid $500 for her purebreed pedigree while my beautiful pup was adopted from a local nature center. It always blew my mind that someone could think they had something better than me because they could trace back an ancestry however far back, while as I coudn’t. While knowing and acknoledging the past and the paths that have brought us to our points in life, can we truly allow those things to dictate where/who we are to in the future? Don’t get me wrong, we should always cherish and look back fondly on where we have come from and those that have blazed the path for us, but someone’s path, past, or tradition is just that, their own. And each of us has different life experiences and histories that make us unique and special. Funn that, how each person is unique, so in a way, we are all the same. =) I consider myself to be a recovering Catholic (LOL) and in my own personal opinion, one of the biggest issues I had with my faith was that it was all based off of things that haven’t evolved and grew. A recent term that I learned from looking at other sites and talking with other witches is Witch Wars. While some people have the fortunate path that they were taught the Craft by family growing up, I believe that most people find their path with the Gods later in life. Having come from spiritual backgrounds where there is so much condemnation of people that are of different faiths or beliefs, has this simply been a burr that has stuck to our clothes as we pulled ourselves out of the tangles of previous experiences in life? Can it be that people embrace the Craft, but don’t realize that some of the hardwiring programmed into us from other belief systems haven’t been cleaned out of brains? The hardest lesson I deal with on a constant basis being new to my path is clearing out the thinking that one way is better than another and opening my awareness to see things as new experiences and learning curves as opposed to the “I’m Right and you are So damn Wrong” thinking. I hope this all made sense, it’s late here and my brain tends to just go on a rambling chatter. Blessings to all!

     
  • Michael you have a wonderful point! I too have a friend who spent way too much on a dog and thought it was better.(It was so dumb it got ran over at about a year old. Sad, but it had zero brains and had to be watched all the time. It would routinely bonk it’s head on your car door when you opened it…no matter how slow, he never figured out how to move in time.) My dog is from the pound and still alive and smart five years later… anyhow, on the subject of who is right and wrong I too believe that it is a lot like a burr on our spiritual clothing. I also think that it is a basic human element to separate ourselves based on any reason we can find. Enter race, religion, sex etc…Can we change the unconscious will of humanity? I do not know. I DO know we can be positive and try to manifest *good* will in our everyday lives. Blessings to you and your new child!

     
  • First of all I would like to say thank you for this site. It is the first time in the almost three years I have been studying that I feel I have found someone with an open mind who really knows what they are talking about.
    I don’t know what to call myself since I have had no formal training on any path. Everything I have learned has come through either books or via the internet. In both cases there is a lot of garbage out there and it is exhausting trying to pick through it to find the truth.
    I have been told I can’t call myself Wiccan because I haven’t been initiated. I have been told I can’t call myself a Witch because I am not Wiccan. I have been told that doing magick is difficult and very dangerous and should not be attempted without proper training and guidance. I have been told magick is easy and simple and can be done by anyone. At this point in my education I am totally confused and unsure of myself. The only thing I know is I believe in magick, and the Goddess and I want to learn all I can about both.
    I guess I should clarify at this point that I have to work as a solitary due to living in a very Christian, non-Pagan area. To my knowledge, I am the only Pagan with-in a 50 mile radius. The one time I actually contacted anyone about visiting their coven and learning about their tradition, I was told the distance between us was to great (60 miles) and they didn’t think it would be a good idea for me to try to attend their rituals and celebrations.
    Anyway thank you once again for your postings and for the opportunity to actually feel like I am learning something worthwhile for a change.

     
    • Eileen, I have been giving your comment a lot of thought. First of all, beware of anyone who says you cannot call yourself something or describe yourself as something. You can call yourself Wiccan if you’re not initiated. That cat is way out of the bag now… the religious faith is recognized by the U.S. Army, and I daresay the version of it that is recognized is NOT the “sky-clad, scourging, using drugs for trance” form of Wicca. You can call yourself a Witch if you’re not a Wiccan — there’s plenty that aren’t Wiccan and yet consider themselves Witches. Magick can be simple and can be dangerous — nothing is ever solely one or the other and nothing in between. You learn to do magick by being brave and trying it and learning through trial and error.

      The fact that your heart hears the voice of the Lady and that you long to walk this path is enough. DO NOT LET ANYONE TELL YOU IT’S NOT ENOUGH. This is not Christianity. You don’t have to prove anything, believe a certain this or that, or do something “just so” to be a spiritual person. All you need to do magick is you and your will and your desire to make a change. All you need to do to worship the Goddess is to answer Her voice when She speaks to you and develop that relationship with Her.

      There are covens who don’t want to deal with anyone too far out of range because covens are intimate environments. It’s hard to have close relationships when folks are separated by an hour drive (or more). Covens are not like congregations in that congregations will generally welcome any person — it’s not hard to add sheep to a flock. Covens are more like groups of shepherds, and as a result, covens get to choose and pick who they want to work with. Unfortunately, prejudice can come into play resulting in a person being turned down. More often, there may be other reasons at play for them not accepting a new person — distance, size of the coven, whether the group is ready for new folks, etc. I know that I screen carefully — I’m sure that others do also.

      In the meantime, you CAN learn well on your own. Make good connections with people you feel have something to teach, something to say. The internet is a wonderful tool for solitaries provided you make good connections. The Ann Moura books Avren mentioned are good. Marian Green’s A Witch Alone is the book I started out with as a Solitary — matter of fact, it’s so good that it’s regularly recommended by British Traditionalist Witches (Gardnerian lines) for people who want to study traditionally but can’t find a coven. See if you can get that book — it was a vital part of my early path.

      Yes, there’s a lot of garbage out there. It’s a challenge to wade through. Consider it another way — look at it as a chance to develop your intuition and your path by sensing what is b/s and what is real and good. That is part of the path of the Witch, too — learning to look beyond illusion and find the things that are real and that exist in all worlds, not merely in singular perceptions.

      Keep the faith, dear Eileen. If the Goddess called you, She would not have done so only to leave you bereft and without communion with others and without Her aid in your path. Trust in Her and trust in yourself and walk as best you can. You will find your path is strewn with treasures regardless of whether or not you have a teacher or a coven.

      Regardless of what you’ve been told, I call you my sister, fellow daughter of the Goddess, and, should you choose to take up the practice, a fellow practitioner of the Craft. It’s not about what you call yourself — it’s about what you *DO*.

      Blessings and love as you begin to answer Her call,
      Sitara

       
      • Thank you so much for your encouragement. It is wonderful to find someone who understands and offers sound advice.
        It’s funny that you should mention “A Witch Alone” as I have been studying Ms. Greens book for the last six months. This makes me believe that maybe the Goddess sent me to you.
        I will look for the books suggested by Avren. I finally feel like I am making progress and I’m looking forward to reading your future blogs and articles.

         
        • Oh wonderful! So glad you are working with that book. It truly is one of the best EVER for what it means to walk this path. Regardless of whether you take it as a sign or not, you will at least know that the book is part of my path’s roots and so I branch from a similar well of wisdom.

          The one thing I will smack your hand for is the “I feel like I’m finally making progress” part. :-) You have been making progress all along. Unless you have been sitting stock still doing a damn lot of nothing, you’re making progress. Don’t allow your expectations or anyone else’s be a yardstick for your growth. That’s like a tree trying to measure itself on a ruler made from its own wood — how can you measure yourself without cutting yourself down? Just enjoy the feeling of the sun on your face and the thrum of the Earth beneath your feet and the joy in your heart as you walk your path. It’s not a race, it’s a dance. Celebrate how far you’ve come! I have a student that is in her 60’s and full of vim and vigor on her path. She doesn’t give a whip about initiations or degrees — she’s just glad to be here, doing this work, and loving her spirituality. If more of us could be like that, the face of this path as seen in its practitioners would be a world different than what we have right now.

           
  • I’m an initiate in the Feri Tradition, but I would never have gotten there if it wasn’t for Wiccan practice and tradition. When I was wandering, I got a lot of help and encouragement from Wiccan books and Wiccan people along the way. I wouldn’t have found my way to my tradition if Wicca hadn’t helped me there.

     
    • So glad to hear from someone who realized their spiritual journey and utilized Wicca as a necessary crossroads to that destination! Thank you for speaking up in a positive manner. If more people could learn to appreciate a thing for what they learned from it — but without needing to damn it as they move on to other things — I believe we’d be a sight more positive than we are currently. Thanks for writing!

       
  • Eileen I feel your pain, as I haven’t found a group in my area that I can connect with. I had some teaching from my maternal family line but not much, I too am a solitary, I have a little advice for you. 1. Read Sitara’s pagan 101 on the home page. It has been very helpful. I also enjoy Ann Moura’s Green Witchcraft trilogy. It is wonderful for a guide. 2. Never underestimate your instincts and meditation. Reflect on what you need, what you want and what you Will. I hate to sound like everyone else but you can’t go wrong with remembering to “Harm None”
    Blessings to you and I hope you find your way.

     
    • Honestly, when I started writing, I had not originally planned on writing much 101 level stuff, or things for Solitaries. I have had such an outpouring of response from solitaries, from people who can’t find people to teach them but who want to study and walk this path… I’ve had to revise my goals (or rather, the Gods have revised my goals for me). I look forward to the day when I can publish books and materials for people who don’t have the community support where they live. I appreciate all of you for being those voices and that inspiration to do that kind of work.

       
    • Thank you Avren for your advice.
      I have already started with Sitara’s Pagan 101 and will definatly look into Ann Moura’s books.
      I am so glad I found this site, it’s nice to meet people who understand and are willing to help those of us who are struggling to find our true path.

       
      • Eileen,
        You are welcome! Ann Moura’s books are actually a lot like a text book, she also makes you comfortable as a solitary. As she is also a history teacher her perspective is very fresh and interesting. I hope you enjoy them as much as I do. Warmest Blessings to you!

         
      • Quick question — why does finding your path have to be a struggle? It might be hard to find information from time to time, but your heart is always speaking truth within you, never farther out of reach than a quiet moment of communion. There is no deadline, there is no white glove test, and there’s no one waiting to say you’re doing it wrong. That’s from that other faith.

        Each day in the Craft is an opportunity to find joy, to learn something new about yourself or someone else, to feel the Wheel turn and your turning with it. If you like puzzles, enigmas, things to discover, the Craft is a breathtaking adventure into the endless horizon of where You meet God/dess. Tilt your head back and feel the wind, check your compass, haul sail, and let the newness inspire you. What would you do if you knew you could not fail? You cannot fail in the Craft if you seek Truth, live Honorably, embrace the world with Love, and Serve the Gods and your brothers and sisters great and small.

         
        • As all great struggles go, they are usually all in our hearts and minds. As I’ve grown and practiced this path it becomes easier and less of a struggle everyday. It was hard at first. You have to throw out almost all of your earlier teaching and views on the after life. The worry that you’re wrong and the Christian consequences are a lot to ponder. However feeling the rightness and the peace of this path chimed with my soul in away that no other religion ever did. I know what you mean Sitara, it seems that you hear a lot of folks talking about struggle. It is really a struggle but one we create.

           
  • Oh my, I didn’t mean following the Goddess path is a struggle, it’s sorting through all of the information available and separating the good from the bad that is hard, especially if you have no one to talk to that can help you put things in prospective.
    I am still learning how to open myself up to the Goddess and Her wonders, but it is a joyous experience and one I look forward to with the dawning of each new day.
    Please excuse my ineptitude with words, most of my life has been spent with children and animals and sometimes I have a hard time expressing myself. Now if you need something explained in the language of toddler, horse or cat, then I’m the gal for you. lol

     
    • Oh good! I don’t want anyone feeling like this path is equivalent to pulling teeth without novocaine! It *is* bloody hard to winnow the good information from the bad. Without a central authority (and especially with the Internet allowing anyone who wants to put info out there to do so), Wicca can seem like a hall of mirrors to someone seeking even the simplest answer.

      And don’t worry about the ineptitude with words — communication takes two. If I misunderstood you, it was as much me as you. We just try again until we get it right. No biggie! :-)

       
  • Thomas Light Stepper | Reply

    Friday, 14th August 2009 at 10:58 PM
     

    Greetings Sitara: Blessings of the Goddess be unto You and Great Joy.

    I call Myself a Witch, I am an Eclectic Witch. I Do Not have an Issue with Wicca or calling Myself a Student of Wicca.. But By saying My Path is Witchcraft I Feel that I have been Most truthfull about the Origains of my Iniation into the Path of wisdom. I have Learned much from Wiccians and will most Likely learn more before I take my next turn around the wheel of life, As I Have not been Iniated as a Wiccian to call Myself a Wiccian would be deceptive and That does not Serve Any Good in my oppinion, Do I feel that we as a community Owe recognization to Wicca, Yes.

    As I practice the Craft, I find Knowlage and Reasons for Joy each Day, therefore I call Myself a Witch; for I am one( and EileeDalla so are you Sister), I am a Student of Wicca and Most Greatfull to those Wiccians Who have shared their Knowlage and Wisdom with Me and Helped me to find this Path.
    But to call Myself a Wiccian when I have not been iniated and have not dedicated to that path I feel would be less then Honest with my fellows.

    To All who have taken the time to Read this Posting and to share with Me their Wisdom May the blessings of the Gods Go before You ,Accompany you and follow behind You, may Wisdom Light your Way and Joy Be in Your Heart for all your Days. Blessed Be.
    Yours in Spirit.
    Thomas Light Stepper

     
    • I perfectly understand your position on that, Thomas. I can tell it is a position of careful thought and respect. Really, it’s not those who choose not to call themselves Wiccan for “I haven’t been initiated” reasons that I have the beef with. It’s those that (a) are initiated, and (b) are running covens in which they basically TEACH Wiccan path knowledge/info and who guide themselves through Wiccan books and knowledge and yet look down their nose at it that make me grumble.

      Thanks for stopping by! Hope to hear more of your comments in the future!

       
  • Great site. Saw this blog – and wanted to respond. At a wiccan gathering earlier this year the subject of the future of the Craft was discussed – and this led to the terms Witch, Wiccan and “Other”.
    The largest area for concern was whether a non-initiated person *could* call themselves Wiccan; many solitaries felt they could, others (coven-based mostly) said no.

    To some extent, just to keep the peace I suspect, it is easier to say not-Wiccan; from a pragmatic sense it also allows you to widen your scope, belief, practices etc without being cast from the Wiccan circle.

    So whilst I do a whole bunch of “wiccan-style” things, I study druidry (as a ‘main’ path) but with heavy footpaths of Taoism; because my path is eclectic I don’t call myself Wiccan and I’m fine with that!

    Bright Blessings!
    Frog
    /|\

     
    • That’s as good an explanation as some of the others on this thread. It’s one thing to not call one’s self Wiccan because of a personal perspective such as yours. It’s another thing to sneer down one’s nose at it while basically practicing it.

       
  • I had a very interesting experience recently I’d thought I’d share because it just blew my mind totally. A witch friend of mine has recently celebrated the birth of a new baby and wanted my help in writing the ritual for the wiccaning. I was more than happy to help because I have a pretty good rhyming/spellcrafting mind.

    Here is where things just blew me away. This friend made comments to me about not being Wiccan or identifiying as Wiccan. When discussing whether or not to include the Rede, I was advised that she had no belief in the “harm none” portion of the Rede, but was fine with the rest of the Rede being included.

    My first reaction of shock was that, how can one look down their nose at the term Wiccan, but yet, want to have a “wiccan”ing for their child? It was one of those Scooby Doo moments where my head just tilted and I thought “HURGH?”

    My second reaction was to the way she so clearly rejected “harm none”. Now, I am adult enough to admit there are plenty of times I’d love to throw the cosmic whammy out there and seek vegence for the “wrongs” I feel committed against me. As I grow and move further along in my path, with help from guides like you Sitara, I’ve learned to look at these “wrongs” not as total injustices against me, but as lessons and opportunities to grow and learn.

    This friend’s comments of “there are times when you don’t turn the other cheek” or “if someone gets you then you have to get them back” really suprised me and took me back a second.

    Having recently been having a lot of work related stress and angst, I’ve seen this conversation with this friend as the gods way of reminding me that all things will balance themselves out and to let Karma run its course. It was also a reminder to me that in the long run, in my humble opinion, the label a person uses is meaningless. I always try to look past these things and view the person based off of their actions and deeds. Anyone can claim a title or label, but if they don’t have walk the walk, their talk is just a load of bull.

     
    • I know of quite a few people who say they don’t follow the Rede because they feel they should have the right to harm others. Well, hell… the word ‘Rede’ just means ‘advice’. And what do you do with advice? Take it or leave it. It’s not a law, it doesn’t mete out a punishment.

      Still, it bothers me when people walk this line of “I don’t follow the Harm None part… it’s bullshit”. Of course, it’s bullshit — then again, the Do What You Will part is bullshit, too. I mean, do you really get your way all the time? Hell no. You don’t Harm None all the time either, do you? Hell no. *mleh* It’s often just a way of saying “I want to walk my path without the fluff-bunny ethic clause”. Ok, fine. You go do that. I’ll remember that you’re liable to curse my ass when you don’t get your way, too.

      A solid Witch has to be able to both hex and heal. An ETHICALLY solid Witch knows s/he can do both, but chooses the higher path and isn’t afraid to be held to a higher standard than “If I feel like it.”

       
  • Hi!

    Excellent website, excellent post – I am so excited to have stumbled across your website. Okay, so I have a question: if one is not initiated by a Wiccan into Wicca, then is one not a Wiccan? Like another above, I’ve been told I am NOT a Wiccan because I’ve not been initiated – but the basic foundation of my practice/faith is Wiccan. This makes me feel more or less like a spiritual fraud, so I’ve been trying to peel back the Wiccan-y layers and… just not practice them more. Suffice it to say that I am totally confused about who can be “a Real Wiccan” and who gets to be disqualified.

    I have been told that, if you rule by the Charge, then any who do not “assemble in some secret place” are not Wiccans. Yet if you go by the CoW’s 13 Principles of Wiccan Belief, then solitaries ought to be okay…. as would be the not-officially-initiated-by-another-Wiccan… so which is it? Right now I don’t feel Wiccan, simply because *other Wiccans* have made me feel that I am a fake…. so who decides? Am I not supposed to be the director of my own path? If I include Wiccan practices, then that makes me a Wiccan, right?

    Sorry to rant – but it is really confusing.

     
    • Bless your heart… there are times I just absolutely want to scream over the semantics. Here’s the situation:

      Originally, Wicca as Gerald Gardner introduced it was/is an initiatory religion. This means you need to be initiated into it in order to be considered Wiccan. Then, Gerald went and published multiple books about Wicca, giving examples of how to do things. Then his initiates went and did the same thing. And their initiates did the same thing. A version of the Telephone Game ensued, information got out, people rebelled, Books of Shadows got published, secrets were told, some folks flat-out gave away the information and Voila! Cat’s out of the bag. To me, if Wicca was meant to be uber-secret and keep its traditional format passed on in traditional ways, why the hell did Gerald Gardner publish all of this stuff? Why didn’t Doreen and Alex and The Farrar’s and Buckland and all the rest just lock it back down instead of helping the process along? And why, oh WHY, do people insist on continuing to trace their lineage back to someone who, by all counts of what a “secret tradition” means, could very well be counted an oathbreaker for revealing something that was meant to only be passed on in the strictest of ritually secure formats? Alright, that’s one rant.

      So, rather than bemoan 60+ years of history and how it’s all gone down, Wicca being peddled by its founders and initiates to the extent that now people are taking it and running with it all on their own… we have to accept the landscape as it is. Even those who have gone through Gardnerian training, if they do not pass on the full measure of the Tradition and their training (in my opinion), THEY DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO CLAIM GARDNERIAN LINEAGE EITHER. It’s not the stupid slap on the naked bottom that is important — it’s the TRADITIONS. There are lots of folks running around with Gardnerian and Alexandrian lineage, boasting about their Lineage Merit Badge, and they don’t do a bloody damn thing that even smacks of what a traditional Gard or Lexi coven does. So that further muddies the waters.

      And then there are those that took the basic Wiccan formats, Wheels, and Wisdoms and created something similar-but-new and named it something else. And you know what? Since over 50% of what they did (usually MOST of what they did) came from Wicca, they (DUH!) called it Wicca. Kinda like a person who is 75% Caucasian and 25% Hispanic is pretty likely to call themselves Caucasian. No one screams that they can’t call themselves Caucasian because they STOLE IT. At the point it’s at now, this argument runs dangerously close to religious fascism. We are NEVER going to be able to ‘pure blood’ it back to the beginning and eradicate everyone out there that calls themselves Wiccan and make them “do right”. Most of what I practice is Wiccan — the format, the Laws, the Rede, the ritual structure, and so forth. I get annoyed at times that the burden is on us to try and herd up the cats that the founders of Wicca let out of the bag originally.

      Let’s go a step further — currently, Wicca (through the efforts of folks who are NOT straight Gard or Lexi lineage) is recognized as an official religious faith by the US Military. I would be willing to bet that it’s not the “practice skyclad, take ritual drugs and scourge each other” practice of the 8-fold path that got approved by the US. There has been a lot of effort on the part of active Wiccans (pure bred or not) to get this recognition and I don’t see the wisdom in pitching the term when so much fighting has been done to get it publicized, recognized, and gaining acceptance.

      I’m going to be writing a series of articles very soon detailing the CoW’s 13 principles in great detail and bringing the discussion forward for the next generation. For now, I can say I understand your feelings about feeling “fake”. But you know what? You only feel fake because you believe someone else has the right to tell you what and who you are and you believe they have more authority than you do. Perhaps they do, if you want to be a Gard or Lexi Witch. If that’s the case, do yourself the favor and go get that training so you’ll feel complete. But if you don’t want to be a Gard or Lexi Witch, then why do you give their word so much weight? Who made the first Gardnerian? Who made the one that made HIM? And so forth? At some point, the buck is going to stop and all that’s going to be there is the Goddess.

      One last thing to ponder… where do you get your name? You are given a name at birth, right? But it’s just a name. The name that means something is the name that you leave behind from the work that you do, not the name that was signed to a certificate in a hospital. That’s a Word. Your work is the Living Word. We get too hung up on the Word and forget to spend the time focusing on how to LIVE the Word. It matters less to the Gods what we call ourselves. What matters is how we answer the Call. Remember that and be a good Witch.

       
  • I believe I understand your peeve. But at the same time, constructing and performing rituals and celebrating festivals with names commonly found in Wicca does not make one Wiccan. Maybe pagans who practice heavily influenced Wiccan rituals are just identifing the fact that they have not been formally inducted into a Wiccan coven. So they call themselves pagan. Or they may simply be trying to identify their cultural resonance. Maybe, just a thought. :p

     
    • A couple of folks have said similar things — not wanting to call themselves Wiccan due to not having the initiation. I suppose it’s a quantitative observation based on what I see. Again, the problem I have (and I do recognize it is *my* peeve) has more to do with the snotty attitude as they look down their nose at Wicca while basically practicing a large healthy portion of it.

       
  • Sitara, I’ve noticed this has remained the most popular post for some time. It astounds me at how many people are upset by this. I never knew it was an issue until I started reading these kinds of posts online. Everyone needs to chill. I agree it’s aggravating to watch people say one thing and practice what they just said they don’t, hypocrites stink! Look how lost some of these folks sound, all because they weren’t “initiated”. Does it matter to anyone that Gerald Gardener is NOT THE MESSIAH? I guess I don’t hold that much reverence for what other people say the path to the divine is. If you use modern practices out of pagan books, 9 times out of 10 you are borrowing from Wicca, so be respectful and give credit where it’s due. Practice as you wish, it’s your soul, who ever said Wicca is ” not as real as (Place many hyphened name here) is only yanking your chain. Sorry to rant but it always upsets me when people try to “exclude” others because of their perceived importance! Spot on with the Star Bellied Sneeches Sitara!

     
    • Part of the reason it still gets so much attention is because of the site code. The more comments that are on a post, it bumps it up to the top in the little “Popular Post” area of the front page. It’s an easy click for someone just navigating here (and apparently stirs conversation since it’s still getting comments!

      What you said about Gerald Gardner not being the Messiah… makes me think. We’re used to a “trace it back to the beginning approach”, aren’t we? We’ve not really evolved to a stand-alone-as-sacred point in many ways. Obviously some growing room to do there.

       
      • I noticed the popularity of this post from the amount of hits as well as the spin off articles written about it. I believe we place too much importance on who was first, or more valid, or whatever. We are sacred, we are spirit. Why all the hubbub-bub? ;-)

         
  • My opinion is : If you want to be placed in a slot or a box, go ahead give yourself a label. Frankly I just got rid of the one I inherited and I have no desire to take on another. From now on I’m a free spirt. Should anyone ask. It reminds me of a story of the Buddha after his enlightenment. Many people started asking him if he was this or that , trying to pin a label on him and he kept saying “NO” Then they said ” Well what are you then?” and he simply said ” I’m awake ” . Now I have to ask what is more important……Doing Magick or Becoming Enlightened? and if you don’t need a label for the second one why do you need a label for the first?

     
  • I, too, do not call myself Wiccan, and not because I have any aversion to Wicca. It’s just that, although my path and practices are very close to what I have been able to find out about Wicca, from published sources, I am self-dedicated and not initiated. In my opinion, since Wicca is an initiatory religion, that makes it impossible for me to call myself Wiccan, as much as I would like to.

     
  • Very much enjoyed reading this thread – thankfully Wiccans who insist on an iniatory lineage in order to declare oneself a true Wiccan have never crossed my path. Solitary self-initiated Wiccan here, unless completing the 1st Circle of the CUEW counts? I don’t think it matters! I considered myself Wiccan for several years prior to participating in that :)

    I have run into the ‘look down your nose’ types … and in my opinion fundamentalists are fundamentalists, no matter their religion. As an acquaintance of mine once said, “Who cares? We’re all going to the same place? What does it matter if we’re taking different roads?”

    Sitara, I’ve really enjoyed perusing your site!

     
    • Glad to hear you’ve enjoyed poking around here! Thanks so much for your perspective — it’s always refreshing to know that perhaps some solitaries have not had to deal with the stigma and prejudice.

       
      • Hey Sitara…I, too, am a solitary. Though I have dealt with the stigma of others’ ignorance about the terms “Wicca” and “Witch” (and even the question of what the heck “Celtic” means to me), I identify myself as a Witch who follows a Celtic Path of Wicca (though not “Celtic Witta”). As you identiyfy with the Egyptians, so I will the Goddesses of the Welsh pantheon. I’m self-initiated, well-read and well-studied, and the sheer protectivism of some who follow the Path amazes me. Thank you for voicing this!

         
  • I am looking at the Wiccan beliefs because of my daughter and have told people I am not Wicca myself because I do not understand the need to label the neutral power that emanantes through our world as either male or female. The effects of the power is determined by whether it is utilized for good or evil, not whether sexism has distorted it. When “talking” to people on the Internet about my experiences I have been asked, “Are you sure you’re not Wicca?”

     
  • Well, one of the reasons I no longer call myself Wiccan is because of all the crap I hear from BTW about who is a ‘real’ Witch or Wiccan. I have nothing against Wicca and I certainly honor GG, but i consider myself to be Neo-Pagan, as in a ‘new Pagan’. I embrace ecclecticism, which is another dirty word these days!

    Just found your site and have to say i am enjoying it!

     
    • There is a serious divide occurring due to semantical differences that somehow we need to transcend. It may just take enough people getting to the point of saying, “You know, I get your complaint, but seems kind of selfish to put the label ahead of the work, don’t you think?”

      We’ll get there! :-)

       
  • I find this article very interesting…Maybe because here in Russia we have just the opposite problem.
    Everybody wants to call himself/herself wiccan, and oh God! I wish they didn’t!!! There is a number of wiccan groups in one of the Russian social networks, and usually I’m really shocked by the things those “wiccans” write there.Wicca is not very popular here,because a limited number of people knows what it is, and I suppose it’ll never become popular or at least respected with all those stupid teenagers who want to be cool and unique and call themselves witches and wiccans when they are NOT.
    As for me, I don’t really like to call myself a wiccan, but not because I’m ashamed of being one. On the contrary, I don’t want to discriminate Wicca itself by calling myself its adept, because I’m not very experienced, I know almost nothing of it, I’m still learning.
    So I think you should be glad that all those “P-A-G-A-N-S” with their low self-esteem don’t call themselves wiccan, because a wiccan is a wise, mentally adult person (even if he/she is still a teenager), and not a cowardly one.

     
  • Personally I never called myself Wiccan because I always understood Wicca to be an initiatory, coven-based mystery cult.

    As someone pointed out to me somewhere else, how can I claim to be Wiccan when I do not have the oath-bound information about Wicca? Such as the names of the Lord and Lady. I can only know outer-court information, and what is the point of that?

     
  • Hmm Well I was just searching on Google for some Tarot readings of some Tarot reader
    and just came across your blog, generally I just only visit blogs and retrieve my required
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  • I hadn’t realised that so much of what I do is Wiccan, but if this is Wicca, what do you consider Pagan? Any good site/books to look into?

     

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